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Howard Dean: To Whom, Losing is a Virtue
"I've seen this before in my life. This is the same situation we had in Vietnam. Everybody then kept saying, 'just another year, just stay the course, we'll have a victory.' Well, we didn't have a victory, and this policy cost the lives of an additional 25,000 troops because we were too stubborn to recognize what was happening"
And of course after we left Vietnam, sweet little chocolates fell from the sky and happiness reigned throughout the land and a rainbow filled the sky for all to see…
Actually, what happened was this:
As a result of the Democratic Party dominated US Congress abandoning the government of South Vietnam and its monetary requirements for self-defense, the free people of South Vietnam were subjugated under the tyrannical genocidal rule of an invading Communist regime. As a result, many millions of people in Cambodia, Laos, and especially Vietnam became refugees. Refugee camps opened throughout the South Pacific, and were populated in the hundreds of thousands by those who had survived the journey. Before a person could make it the refugee camp, they had to endure survival at sea and predatory pirates, who raped and killed hundred of thousands of people who were fleeing from the Communist Vietnamese regime. It has been estimated that for every person who arrived, 3 were killed in the effort. In nieghboring Cambodia, the genocidal Khmer Rouge regime, (once part of the Communist Party of Vietnam) murdered 6 millions of people in the wholesale destruction of ctities and towns at a level and procifiency not seen since Nazi Germany. In Vietnam, the new communist government sent many people who did not flee and supported the old government in the South to "re-education camps", and others to "new economic zones" or what we would refer to as concentration and forced labor camps . The genocidal and fratracidal warfare waged by the Communist government of Vietnam resulted in millions of Vietnamese who risked and often lost everything in order to leave, but the process was not limited to just the former US allies in South Vietnam. In 1979, Vietnam was at war with the People's Republic of China. During this war, ethnic Chinese living in Vietnam became scapegoats to the government of Vietnam and were directly targeted by the regime. As a result, thousands of Chinese became refugees using the same routes of departure previously used by the Vietnamese themselves.
Millions of people were butchered in this genocide; millions more flee as refugees, millions incarcerated in forced labor camps. All this; because of the selfish actions of the US Congress of 1975. And yet, Howard and the Democrats want to use this as a moment of pride.
What’s different about Iraq from Vietnam? Well for one thing, there’s no refugee crisis in Iraq. In fact, both Afghanistan and Iraq are unique in world history for being wars that didn’t create a refugee crisis, but solved them! Yes that’s right, 3 million Afghanis migrated back to Afghanistan from Pakistani refugee camps after Kabul fell to coalition troops. Marsh Arabs in Iraq who were effectively scourged from the land in southern Iraq have been returning to their newly liberated homes from camps and settlements throughout the middle east. Iraqi Kurdistan has become the fastest growing economy of the middle east, largely due to the influx of people formerly on the run from the Saddam regime.
What is it that the people on the ground know that Howard and the Democrats don’t know or won’t acknowledge?
What’s different about Iraq from Vietnam? There’s also no genocide, or civil war. Yes, there isn’t a complete peace just yet, but there wasn’t any peace in Iraq before we got there either.
Why do Democrats make such a fetish of Vietnam? Is abandoning a country and its people to genocide and enslavement really something to be proud of? Many Democrats feel that leaving Vietnam was the best thing we ever did as a country. They think that the horror of war stopped the day America left Vietnam. Fundamentally, Democrats feel that there is no world problem that cant be made better by America running away from it.
Howard and the Democrats hold no shame for abandoning the Vietnamese, the Cambodians, the Laotians and now they feel no shame at abandoning the Iraqis, the Kurds, the Shia to the same result. They are actually going to run on that idea as a platform. What’s really sick to me is they seem genuinely hopeful to see the same thing happen to the Shia that happened to the Vietnamese, as if subconsciously hoping to “teach them a lesson” for their support of Bush. So long as the “quit Iraq now” idea gets votes, the Democrats don’t care who might get killed in the process.
Democrats, while purporting to be the “friend of the little man’ feel no love at all for the little man if he’s a little fellow on the other side of the planet. Many people in the Democrat party apparatus have essentially held the position that the best policy is to run away and hide or compromise or even collaborate with the enemies of mankind. Remember those who said we should have negotiated with the Soviets? Where are the ‘Roosevelt Democrats’ today? Where is the party that believed in America as a positive force? How can a party expect to lead this country when it thinks all we need is to make a really good apology to the world? Where’s the Democrat men and women who said “ Pay any price, bear any burden in defense of freedom and liberty” – and meant it? If Hillary Clinton is going to catch the flak she is getting for her reasoned and yet, tepid response on the Iraq war, just imagine if a Democrat today made a speech like the Kennedy “ Pay Any Price” speech. Moveon.org and code pink would have a meltdown.
I’ve often had the phrase “War is not the answer” thrown into an argument by the other side when I make statements for our actions in the Jihadi war. My response is that “War is certainly the answer, if the question is slavery or genocide”. This is exactly what is at stake here. From the words of today’s Democrats, the only answer to slavery and genocide is a withering barrage of summits and press conferences. I’m sure it would have had Hitler shaking in his boots to have them say “give peace a chance” to him in response to the Lidice massacres.
I really don’t know why anyone bothers with Howard Dean discussing what it means to ‘win and lose’. Howard Dean couldn’t even win in Ohio.
Posted @ December 07, 2005 01:11 AM | Current Affairs
Great piece. This and the preceding "prop" one have you on a roll...
Posted by: OhBloodyHell at December 7, 2005 07:01 AM
> Democrats, while purporting to be the “friend of the little man’ feel no love at all for the little man if he’s a little fellow on the other side of the planet.
Dhimmicrats don't even care about the little man if he's right next door unless it scores them political points.
Posted by: OhBloodyHell at December 7, 2005 08:01 AM
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POLITICIANS - AN APOLOGY (episode 32)
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Voice Over (Eric Idle):
We would like to apologize for the way in which politicians are represented in this programme.
It was never our intention to imply that politicians are weak-kneed, political time-servers who are concerned more with their personal vendettas and private power struggles than the problems of government, nor to suggest at any point that they sacrifice their credibility by denying free debate on vital matters in the mistaken impression that party unity comes before the well-being of the people they supposedly represent nor to imply at any stage that they are squabbling little toadies without an ounce of concern for the vital social problems of today.
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Posted by: OhBloodyHell at December 7, 2005 08:02 AM
Nor indeed to we intend that viewers should consider them as crabby, ulcerous little self-seeking vermin with furry legs and an excessive addiction to alcohol and certain
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Posted by: OhBloodyHell at December 7, 2005 08:03 AM
You might try turning off the **idiotically** bad censor since you're pre-viewing the things anyway.
Posted by: OhBloodyHell at December 7, 2005 08:05 AM
So what's the plan for all the rest of the tyrants? We have many to pick from. With the deficit we're running, we're gonna bankrupt ourselves saving the rest of the world. And why was this not the justification given to us before we invaded Iraq?
Posted by: mojo at December 7, 2005 11:03 AM
To OhBloodyHell:
Saddam Hussein's regime violated just about every condition of the 1991 ceasefire agreement(even excluding the WMD references). No peace treaty was ever signed. Technically the 1990-1991 war never ended.
As for justifications for the current phase of the war, its clear that you never read the 2002 Congressional Resolution on Iraq.
Posted by: dubliner75 at December 7, 2005 02:24 PM
how many times do you need to repeat history to learn it? we're now redoing the viet nam debacle, where thousands died because of our invasion and the inevitable polarizing result, combined with redoing the brit debacle in iraq.
insanity is doing the same thing over again and expecting different results. except this time we have killed more civialians and tortured more people, and expanded the mass murder and war crimes to many countries all over the world.
our country is in deep deep shame. congratulations.
Posted by: Randy Bush at December 7, 2005 04:07 PM
Randy,
I hope we are not "redoing" the Viet Nam debacle. But then the Democrats are not running this one so we have a very good if not excellent chance of winning. Insanity would be doing it the Democrat way again.
Posted by: Titan Mk 6B at December 12, 2005 01:14 PM
40 years of liberal public education has left the public at large ignorant of any history, historical or otherwise.
This country has lost it's education. How do you repair 40 years of ignorance?
Posted by: newc at December 12, 2005 03:56 PM
Varifrank:
Do you ever get depressed over the fact that people comment here on Iraq = Vietnam without appearing to have read your brilliant analysis as to *why* this is NOT Vietnam and can never turn into Vietnam no matter how long they repeat the mantra??
I have a suggestion. Send them over to State of Flux blog. Minh Duc is Vietnamese. He remembers well what happened after the MSM poisoned that war and he knows firsthand what happened to his country because we left. Not because we came, but because we left. He made it out on a little boat and survived to serve in Iraq.
These people need a clue and if they put a few real ideas together over at Minh Duc's, they can use them for a clue bag and they'll be on their way out of the vale of ignorance in which they appear to dwell.
He's here:
http://state-of-flux.blogspot.com/
Posted by: dymphna at December 15, 2005 02:11 PM
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