Post-Super Tuesday, I see no difference between the two parties on the issues most important to me...
mighty frustrating. I hear others saying we need to support the party because no candidate is gonna be perfect. Where do I turn when none of the candidates is espousing my views on what I consider the most important issues of the day?

I think for me it's straw/camel's back time. All the candidates are mouthing the words, but I am truly ready for change!

Im reminded of a political bumper sticker in Louisiana when David Duke was running against the indicted Govenor Edwards:

"Vote for the crook - its important"

This of course ,is the pro-edwards bumpersticker.

Thats kinda how I feel. Ive always called McCain the best Democrat in the race but the fact here isnt Democrat versus another Democrat, its democrat versus an outright command economy left of center socialist. In that field, Im going with the Democrat. John doesnt light my fire, but it really is "important".

Don't you see what a Faustian deal you are making, Frank? Aren't you sick to death of it?
We can do better, can't we?

I tried to leave a link at the word "change" in that first post. Bill Quick is trying to get a third "Conservative" party started.
I think it's past time.

For the record, Im not a conservative - Im a pragmatist.

In my life I have had the same values throughout since adulthood, which most people see as being right wing conservative, but when I lived in Texas, people considered me to be an outright communist. When I lived in San Francisco I was a right wing crazy, Yet nothing I believed in ever changed. The only thing that changed is where I was standing at the time. McCain suffers from the same phenomenon. He is a conservative. Hes a pain, but hes not a socialist and in that pragmatic view, hes the clear choice this time.

You wont get a conservative candidate until you get a conservative party. Candidates are a reflection of the party itself, not the other way around. The problem is that to get a standalone conservative party that is sufficiently conservative for its more rabid members, it will never attract more than a fringe of the wider political body. It will be the right wings version of the "green party", never strong enough to do anything itself but always big enough to ruin any real effort to make conservatives into a mainstream movement.

That, to my pragmatic ear doesnt sound like a win to me. I want more conservatives, I want to see conservative values move up, but I cant get there by cutting my own throat.

If you truly believe in conservative values as a mainstream value, then you need to fight in the mainstream and not on the fringe. You dont gain aything by creating the middle aged version of the little rascals' "He-man woman haters club".The right wing party, the patriotic party, the American party is best attuned to work with you to actually accomplish something with you.

And you can elect someone who doesnt fit you needs and still get what you want. I submit Exhibits A,B and C as Dubai Ports, Harriet Myers and the Southern Border Fence, all of which were acted upon as a result of conservative pressure on a less than conservative administration. I see these as good things, not that they came up, but that the President did in fact, in the end listen to his friends. You see, even when you disagree, you tend to listen to your friends over your enemies. John McCain is not your enemy, but the other side is. They will not listen to you about conservative values and help you implement them, to them you are nothing but the enemy.

There is no Southern Border Fence, and there will never be one. How can that be counted as a win?

Because now everyone wants one and its considered a standard for success. Prior to conservative influence, it was always set aside and ignored.

Fact is, there is a fence, and its 900 miles longer than it was in 2000. The problem people have isnt that there isnt a fence, but that there is still no penalty for crossing it.

I enjoyed reading this post, and I think you are giving good advice.

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