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Who you gonna believe?

Staggering News - According to this poll, Proposition 8 in California is ahead by a nose.

Proposition 8 is a "marraige-is-between-a-man-and-a-woman" intiative. Now based on this poll, were supposed to accept the idea that Proposition 8 has a chance of passing, yet John McCain has zero chance of winning in California. This, as the Robot on 'Lost in Space' would say: "Does Not Compute".

How do proposition 8 voters feel about McCain? If you take a look around the town where I live, when you see John McCain bumper stickers or lawn signs, you almost always see "Yes on Proposition 8" signs as well.

Remember, the poll says Prop 8 is winning. Remember as well that Prop 8 has been viciously opposed by the very same people who are voting for Barack Obama. They have poured millions into the Anti-Prop 8 campaign. This has become a pivotal Proposition in this election. In one case, 8 memebers of a college student council face a recall election because they support Proposition 8. Thats pretty stong stuff from the anti-prop 8 crowd. You used to get recalled from office if you were doing something illegal or failing to do your duty, now all you have to do is take the politically incorrect side of an argument and it seems you must be removed from your civic duty, lest the populace be harmed because of your spreading dangerous perverted ideas like "only one man and one woman owning the franchise of marraige in society" and crazy stuff like that. Once upon a time I dare say you could be recalled from office if you were suspected of being gay.

How times have changed.

And I say again, Proposition 8 appears to be winning in California, against everything that the core of the liberal world can throw at it. Does anyone really believe that there are lots of people who will vote for Prop 8 and also vote against John McCain? Im sorry, Im just not willing to buy that. Statistically there will be some small number, but there will be far more who because of the issues behind Proposition 8 wil be voting for McCain who otherwise would not have done so. I think its also statistically small that there are Pro-prop 8 people who are voting for Barack Obama this year, yet I'm sorry to report that I havent seen a single yard sign with Obama/Biden and "Yes on Prop 8". That tells me that the number of pro-obama, pro prop 8 voters is mighty small.

In my little neighborhood, I see more signs for Prop 8 than I do any of the two candidates. That is very interesting to me. It says that this issue has exercised a part of the populace that doesnt normally get exercised. This may be the source of what has moved this poll in the direction it has gone. It may be the key to the election in California for John McCain.

How can Proposition 8 be winning and John McCain also be losing in California? It seems to be that if you go to the polls for one, you are going to pull to level for the other too. Either Prop 8 is winning which will give some form of "political coattails" to John McCain, or the poll is silly and doesnt really show an accurate representation of the political landscape. I can accept that the poll is goofy but I can't accept that Prop 8 will pass but John McCain will lose.

My wife asked me yesterday how the election was going, and I said "cant really tell". That was before I saw this poll result. I honestly have no idea what is going on, I only know that things are not as they appear to be.

Posted @ October 21, 2008 07:47 AM | Current Affairs

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Comments

Does anyone really believe that there are lots of people who will vote for Prop 8 and also vote against John McCain?

Yep; black and hispanic voters. Both groups will overwhelmingly vote for Obama, and overwhelmingly vote for Prop 8. And black turnout will be way up this year, because of Obama.

The irony of this has been noted on both NPR and populist talk radio.

As to the lack of yard signs, I used to commute through South Central LA, and I didn't see any yard signs at all. Lots of Obama gear on people and for sale, though; no Prop 8 t-shirts, pro or anti.

Posted by: Kevin at October 21, 2008 02:25 PM

Frank, I was going to post something, but once again, "denied for questionable content".

There was nothing questionable in it, and I'm not going to figure out whatever absurdity it's got a problem with.

I really, really like your blog, but I say it would be a lot more active if that ridiculously absurd scanner wasn't in place. People tend to frequent places they can comment in, and not frequent places they can't.

Now go ahead and turn the comment feature off again because someone dared to complain to you about it.

Posted by: Vootie at October 21, 2008 09:40 PM

If you left your actual email address, I could register you to allow you to be automatically approved.

I think the filter is set to reading both your comments and your mind as well, you dirty dog you...

Posted by: frank martin at October 22, 2008 07:48 AM

I stopped using my usual e-mail address because
a) it doesn't like my usage of the word H-E double hockysticks in the name
b) I don't think it likes yahoo, either.

lets see if I can get it past here:

Posted by: Vootie at October 22, 2008 10:42 PM

Despite the fact that I don't live in California, I would be willing to bet that there are a significant number of people (the 2 demographics Kevin mentioned included, but a number of other people as well) who plan on voting for Obama, but also intend to "secretly" pull the lever for Prop 8. Their support for Prop 8 is something they do not want to advertise (and risk alienating their liberal/gay friends), but they will vote for it nonetheless. I have a feeling that a large part of the non-advertisement of any Obama supporters' favor for Prop 8 has a lot more to do with maintaining their "image" as a liberal to their liberal friends - I doubt that the same (or even close) number of people who plan to "secretly" vote for Prop 8 will also "secretly" vote McCain. Just my 2 cents.

Posted by: Emily at October 27, 2008 10:57 AM